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0:00:01 - (Kevin Lowe): Imagine facing not one, not two, but three life changing moments that could push anyone over the edge. Today I'm going to introduce you to Doctor Robin hall, an award winning physician and now author. She knows the scenario much too well and she's going to share it with us today. Through it all, Doctor Robin hall, she's discovered what it means to be on the other side of illness. Through our interview, you will hear the same thing that I did.

0:00:34 - (Kevin Lowe): Is that who she is, what her journey is? It's a testament to resilience, to intuition, and of course, the unexpected blessings that come out of life's toughest challenges. This, my friend, is all inside of today's episode. Episode 309.

0:00:53 - (B): Yo, are you ready to flip the script on life? Cause those bad days, theyre just doors to better days. And thats exactly what we do here at grit, grace and inspiration. Your host, Kevin Lowe. Hes been flipping the script on his own life, turning over 20 years of being completely blind into straight up inspiration, motivation and encouragement just for you. So kick back, relax, and let me introduce you to your host, Kevin hello.

0:01:21 - (Kevin Lowe): Whats up my friend? Welcome back to the podcast. I am excited to have you here with me today getting ready to introduce you to Doctor Robin Hall, a woman with an amazing story to share. But before I do, I want to remind you that I still do have going on my summer special where im offering free 30 minutes one on one coaching sessions all summer long. All you have to do to sign up is text summer 2024.

0:01:52 - (Kevin Lowe): All one word, no spaces summer 2024 to the phone number 33 seven seven. That is 33 seven seven. That is of course in the show notes if that makes life easier. But text summer 2024 to that phone number and I will give you a link to my calendar for you to book that totally free coaching call with me. And one last announcement before our interview with Doctor Robin hall is I want to give a shout out to one of my biggest fans and that is my mom, Teresa Lowe.

0:02:29 - (Kevin Lowe): Her birthday is this week and I just want to say happy birthday mom. Thank you for always supporting me, supporting the podcast, and just being an awesome person in my life. If you would like to hear more about my mom, be sure to check out today's show notes where I will leave a link where I interviewed her not too long ago with that. Here is my interview with doctor Robin hall.

0:02:58 - (Dr. Robin Hall): So I was one of the few female physicians in my medical school class and that was quite challenging. I faced a lot of stereotyping, blue eyed blonde people would say, well, you don't look like a doctor. And I'd say, well, what's a doctor supposed to look like? But I felt like I had to work harder than the men. But I'm really glad that I did that because I've had 32 years of a wonderful career meeting lots and lots of interesting people, and that was what I was supposed to be doing. That was my God given purpose.

0:03:36 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah. That is absolutely amazing. Wow. And I mean, talk about just the resiliency within you to pursue that, especially kind of against the odds in terms of the fact that you didn't have family history. You were a woman going into this male dominated profession. I mean, that just speaks highly of you at a young age.

0:04:04 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Well, thank you. I tend to, once I decide that I want to do something, I don't ever give up. And it was tough. I will tell you that first year in medical school, because I'd been out of college for four years, it was really different. I had to study a lot different, a lot harder than I had to before. And there were times that I asked myself, why did I leave Procter and gamble? I was making a decent income.

0:04:30 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And then you go into medical school and you make nothing, and you are spending so many hours studying, and it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. You know, you really have to set aside immediate gratification because it's much later down the road.

0:04:46 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah, absolutely. Now, did you, throughout your career, always practice, you know, like, working with the same type of patients, or did your kind of career evolve into other aspects of medicine?

0:05:03 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Well, I'm board certified in family medicine. That was my residency program, and I had a private practice right out after I finished my residency. And a few years later, I sold that practice to a nonprofit health system. It was not something that I wanted to do, but there was a lot of changes going on in managed care medicine at that time, and three different hospital groups approached me to buy me out, and I ended up selling because it's very difficult to compete against a big system like that.

0:05:42 - (Dr. Robin Hall): What a lot of people don't realize is that you have to negotiate for your reimbursement rates, and a solo doctor doesn't have the negotiating power that a large healthcare system would have with the insurance companies. And so back then, some, and I don't know if it's still that way now. I'm sure it probably is. But managed care plan could say, well, we have enough doctors in this area. We don't need you on our plan.

0:06:11 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Well, if that was the case, then you wouldn't be able to get those patients that are on, you know, blue cross blue shield or Unitedhealthcare or whatever plan that it was. So I sold the practice, and I became the lead physician for this hospital group and worked for them for ten years. And then I just became very disillusioned with corporate medicine, with all the paperwork, with all of the insurance requirements.

0:06:40 - (Dr. Robin Hall): You know, my whole purpose was to take care of people, not paperwork, to put my stethoscope on the patient, not the paperwork. And so I took a huge leap of faith midlife and decided to start a concierge practice. That was unheard of in 2005 when I did that, and, in fact, people thought I was absolutely crazy. They said, you know, you've had this great career, you've been closed to new patients for years, and you're going to start over again.

0:07:15 - (Dr. Robin Hall): But I knew that that's what I was supposed to do, because a concierge practice is a situation where you take less patients, but you're able to spend more time with them and really take time to educate them about prevention. And it's a fee based system where they pay a membership and get all their care for that membership, and it's really the kind of care that everybody deserves. Unfortunately, not everybody can do it, but it's a different economic model, and it was very rewarding for me.

0:07:53 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Despite the naysayers, it was a thriving practice, and I just sold it a couple of years ago to one of my colleagues.

0:08:02 - (Kevin Lowe): Okay, interesting. I'm going to assume that that probably leads into my next question. And that is, I read something, and it's. You talked about the difference between optimal healthcare and sick care. Talk to me about that.

0:08:21 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Well, typically, people go to the doctor when they're sick. They call up and say, I have a sore throat or a rash or chest pain, whatever it is. In the insurance world, in the managed care world, you are trading volume for reimbursement. So you see a lot more patients for less reimbursement, and you really only have time to take care of that one complaint or that one symptom that the person has. And that was very disturbing to me, because a symptom sometimes is just a sign of something bigger that's underlying. And I just never was trained to put a band aid on everything or give a pill for every illness. But my training was to look at the whole person.

0:09:12 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And I know that when you're having to see patients so fast and you don't really get all of the history, there's things that you can miss and so the straw that broke the camel's back was one day a young woman said she was coming in for a sore throat. But when I walked into the room, she was crying. And when I asked her what was going on, she said that she had been date raped. Well, you can imagine that's a far cry from a sore throat.

0:09:43 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And that is not something that I could just say, I'm really sorry that happened, but I have to move on to the next patient because I was only given five minutes to see you. That just goes against everything that I stand for. And interestingly enough, in medicine, we always say things happen in threes. I had two or three of those kind of incidents where I. I thought that I was walking into one situation that was going to be a quick visit, and it turned about to be something much more serious.

0:10:16 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And so when that happened, I just started praying about it. I just knew that something had to give, that I needed to get back to what I was really trained to do, and that was to take care of the whole person. And then I heard about this concept of concierge medicine, and so I kept praying about it. And one day I went home to my husband and I said, you're going to think I'm crazy, but I want to quit my job and start this unique model of medicine.

0:10:48 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And thank God I have a very understanding husband. And he said, you need to do what you feel like you need to do, and I'll be there to support you. So that's what I did. And it took two or three years to really build it up, because nobody. I was one of the first in Texas and in the United States to have this kind of model. And people didn't know how to advertise it. The bankers didn't want to support it. Even though I had a very good track history, they thought it was going to be too big of a risk, but I was able to get it going, and then I was able to practice optimal care. And what I mean by that is optimal care is keeping people healthy, not just seeing them for a symptom.

0:11:34 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And so in the new practice, the physical exams would be about 3 hours long, because I would go over an extensive amount of lab work with them. I would do a head to toe physical, which is everything from skin check to musculoskeletal exam to a neurologic exam, to talking to them about their family history, all of the things we were trained to do, but time did not allow us to do. And because of that model, I know that I saved lives that I wouldn't have saved in a different model, because sometimes what a lot of people may not realize is that I'll take, for instance, a rash.

0:12:16 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Somebody can come in with a rash, and a typical knee jerk reaction for many doctors would be, here, use this cream, and if it doesn't go away in a few days, call me back. But that rash can actually be a sign of an underlying illness. And if you just put a band aid on it, or, like I say, give a pill for every ill, you may be missing something that's brewing that you could catch early and give a very different outcome to that patient. Does that make sense?

0:12:52 - (Kevin Lowe): Absolutely, 100%.

0:12:54 - (Dr. Robin Hall): So that's optimal care. And so I felt like I was really doing my job if the patients weren't having to come in because we were doing all the appropriate screening, and they knew how to take care of themselves, they knew how to eat properly, they knew about their genetics, because we did nutritional education, we tested for genetics that a lot of people don't even know exist. For instance, there's a heart attack gene. A lot of people don't know about that.

0:13:24 - (Dr. Robin Hall): If you have the heart attack gene, it doesn't mean you're going to have heart attack, but it means you're at increased risk. And so I'm going to be paying a lot more attention to that aspect and that person as maybe with someone else. Doctor Justin.

0:13:39 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah, absolutely. Now, I know that you're not in, in that field anymore, but is that a trend that would pick up more popularity?

0:13:48 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Well, there's more and more doctors converting the concierge medicine, but one of the things that is confusing to people is they think that every concierge doctor is the same, but it's not. I had my own model, my own way of doing things, and that included a lot of this. Well, I had a stroke and heart attack program called the Bell donane method, and we did peptide therapy, hormone therapy. We did a lot of things as part of my concierge practice.

0:14:19 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Other doctors don't have theirs set up that way. Basically, what's the same across the board is that the person pays a membership, and some concierge doctors may take a couple hundred, some people may take several hundred patients. And so having that access to a personal doctor that you can reach 24/7 is what is consistent throughout concierge medicine. But then how they run their practice and what they offer for that membership fee is what's different.

0:14:53 - (Dr. Robin Hall): But yes, there's many, many more concierge physicians now than there were when I started.

0:14:59 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah, it's really a unique way of looking at medicine. I think it's so very different than what we're used to. How long would you end up being in this role, having this practice? Until a period of your life that you refer to as the perfect trifecta.

0:15:22 - (Dr. Robin Hall): So I had that practice for 18 years, and the only reason I retired early was because of the perfect trifecta. Would you like for me to go into that?

0:15:34 - (Kevin Lowe): I would love to learn about the perfect trifecta.

0:15:39 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Here I am going along in my concierge practice. Everything's going great. I have a thriving practice. I needed to bring in another doctor because we had grown so much and had a loving husband and a daughter. And that's where that quote comes in. Life is what happens when you're making other plans. So one morning, my husband and I were getting ready for church, and he said, Robin, I've got this lump in my neck. Would you come feel this?

0:16:10 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And I went over and I felt at the lump. And with my medical training, I knew initially, I knew immediately that we had a problem, that he probably had cancer, and that this was either a lymph node that was metastatic from another cancer, or it could be a lymphoma. Lymphoma is cancer, you know, the lymph nodes. And so I got him in to have the evaluation, and unfortunately, it was not only lymphoma, but it was stage four lymphoma.

0:16:44 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And it doesn't matter if you're a doctor or not. When you hear that c word, it's scary. It's scary for everyone. And so I found myself in the first phase of that trifecta, and that was as a caregiver. And so it's very, very different to be a caregiver and watch the person that you love go through chemotherapy and watch what chemotherapy does to their body and how weak they get. And it was very, very difficult, because at the same time, I'm trying to run a business and see my patients and be there for my husband.

0:17:29 - (Dr. Robin Hall): So they don't teach you that in medical school. You know, taking care of your patients in the office and in the hospital is very different than caregiving at home. And so I walked along his side, and then five years later, one morning, I get out of the shower, and I see that one of my breasts is larger than the other. And that's not something that you want to see if it's a new finding. Now, a lot of women are not symmetrical, but if it's something new, that's a warning sign, and I checked myself. I also felt a mass, and this was very disconcerting because I had just had a mammogram and an ultrasound seven months before that.

0:18:14 - (Dr. Robin Hall): It was perfectly normal. But I got in to the doctor, and lo and beholden, I was diagnosed with breast cancer. So that's the perfect trifecta. I now have a husband with stage four cancer that I'm caring for. I'm a physician caring for other patients, and now I have breast cancer. The doctor's not supposed to get sick. The doctor is supposed to be the one taking care of everyone else. And so my life was turned upside down in a matter of minutes, and I had to make a lot of changes to take care of myself and the practice.

0:18:57 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah, absolutely. Your breast cancer, what stage was it?

0:19:02 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Well, fortunately, we caught it very early, and so it was at the first stage, and I only had to. Well, I had to make a very difficult decision, and that was to have a double mastectomy, because the size of the tumor was a problem, and it was with only 1, my skin. It could have come out through my skin, but the godsend from the whole thing was that it had not gotten into my lymph nodes, which is highly unusual with the size of tumor that I had.

0:19:38 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And so I did not have to have chemotherapy. The mastectomy was difficult enough emotionally and physically, but I just feel blessed that I didn't have to have chemotherapy. And then eight weeks later, I went back to surgery and had reconstruction. Wow. I was out of the office about three months.

0:20:00 - (Kevin Lowe): Wow, wow, wow, wow. What a rough period of time between your husband and you and, of course, caring for other sick people at work.

0:20:12 - (Dr. Robin Hall): You know, it was very difficult, and I was just so blessed that I had another doctor that and a nurse practitioner that took up the slack, and they took care of the patients while I was out. And, you know, in a concierge practice, I limited mine to 200 patients. And to give you kind of an idea, most doctors in a managed care settings have several thousand patients on their profile, and so 200 patients doesn't sound like a lot, but with the depth of what we delivered, if I took any more than that, I wouldn't be able to deliver the kind of care that I was promising.

0:20:55 - (Dr. Robin Hall): So you really get to know those people very well, and we were very transparent with them. I told them that I had breast cancer, and I didn't want them to worry about me not coming back and that they were in good hands. But when I went back to work, I just started having this nagging feeling or divine message, whatever you want to call it, that I was supposed to go ahead and retire early. Now, this was not in my game plan at all. I love practicing medicine.

0:21:29 - (Dr. Robin Hall): I love the challenge of figuring out difficult diagnosis. I love the social aspect of it, everything about it. But I just kept feeling that I was supposed to step away, but I didn't know where that was coming from. But it was like a sense of impending doom. And I didn't know if something was going to be changing with my husband. By this time, he was still doing well, but he'd been through three totally different chemo regimens, and they had told him there was nothing else they could offer him.

0:22:02 - (Dr. Robin Hall): They said he was too old to have a bone marrow transplant because it would be too difficult for him. But he was persevering. He had a great mindset. He was doing well. So I didn't know if that feeling of impending doom was about him or if something was about to happen to my father, because my father was in his middle nineties at that time, and this was almost three years ago. And so I went to my husband and I told him that. And he said, whatever you feel like you need to do. We talked to the financial planner, made sure that, you know, if this was our decision, that we do okay.

0:22:42 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And I went to my colleague and said, you know, I know this wasn't the plan, but I really feel like I need to retire early. I really feel like there is a reason for this. And so, again, praise the Lord. He was able to get the funding and bought me out. And then I worked for him part time until last year. And just a couple of months or so after I retired, my brother in law, my husband's brother, was diagnosed with metastatic bladder cancer.

0:23:17 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And they lived in Arizona, and we were able to go and be with he and his wife. And he wanted me, my brother in law wanted me to be the go between or the liaison between the oncologist and him because he didn't know what questions to ask. And he wanted me to help him with that. As difficult as that was, because I was the one that had to tell him that they didn't think he was going to make it more than three months.

0:23:47 - (Dr. Robin Hall): As difficult as that was, I would have never had that opportunity to help if I had not gone ahead and listened to. To that voice that said, you need to step away. So that whole feeling of impending doom, that's what it was. It was my brother in law. And unfortunately, he did succumb to his illness in less than three months. But, you know, my cancer was the catalyst to me retiring early, being there for my brother in law, continuing to be there for my husband and for writing my book.

0:24:25 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah. Wow, wow, wow. The three months that you were there helping to take care of your brother in law, did you know that it was going to be such a short amount of time?

0:24:39 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Well, we weren't there the entire three months. That's just what they, you know, told him, that we wouldn't make it that long. We got there when he went into the hospital, and I was the one, he didn't want to hear it from the oncologist, so I was the one that had to tell him. They didn't think that it would last longer than that. So we were there during the time that he found out and, you know, what the prognosis was and all of that. And then we came back home. But we were in touch with them all along the way and supporting them how we could.

0:25:13 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah. Wow. That is such a rough time. And I. I can't help but, but wonder from the perspective, coming from a doctor where you spent your career, obviously not curing cancer, but you're there, you're helping people, you're taking care of people, you're making them well when they're sick, you're keeping them from getting sick. I can only imagine that it has to be difficult to be there as just a family member when you can't fix it.

0:25:45 - (Dr. Robin Hall): It's very difficult, because as a physician, that's what you want to do. You want to fix it. And it's hard when we can't fix it, and it's hard enough when it's your patients, but when it's somebody in your own family, it's very difficult. But it also makes you step back and realize, you know, you're not God and you're just a tool to help people. And sometimes healthcare is not curing, but just being there to care and support the person.

0:26:18 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And so I feel like that that is what I was able to do. And like I said, even though it was difficult, that was the blessing in disguise. And that's what I've learned through my entire career, is that many times you'll see things that are difficult or you'll face them yourselves. But if we look back, and sometimes it's hindsight, sometimes we don't see it at the time, but there's usually something positive that comes from that.

0:26:51 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And like I say, my cancer diagnosis was the catalyst to me shifting to pivoting into a different part of my life. But I'm still fulfilling my mission in speaking, doing podcasts through my book to encourage people and inspire people to take care of their health and to realize that tomorrow is not promised. We have to enjoy every day and find the good in every day, because life can change at the drop of a hat.

0:27:25 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And you hear that all the time. It almost sounds right. But when it happens to you, you know, it doesn't matter how much money you have in the bank, if you don't have your health, you don't have anything.

0:27:37 - (Kevin Lowe): Absolutely. Health is everything.

0:27:40 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Health is wealth. And it's just an interesting dichotomy that my whole career has been focused on prevention. And then, you know, we end up with this cancer situation.

0:27:53 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah. Before I ask you to start diving into your book, can you share with me about your husband, the outcome of his cancer?

0:28:04 - (Dr. Robin Hall): He is doing great. He's eight years out now, and a couple, well, just a few months ago, he finally was able to have his chemotherapy port removed. And one of the blessings that we've experienced through this whole ordeal is that we've stopped and taken time to smell the roses. We've been able to travel. Our whole perspective on life has changed. He's actually still working full time. He's a neuropsychologist and a researcher in Alzheimer's disease.

0:28:41 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And he feels good. He looks so much better, and he is a walking miracle. Back when I was in medical school, somebody that had stage four non Hodgkin's lymphoma did not have a good prognosis. And I will tell you, we had some very close calls, but they have new treatments now available. And I think that our faith, his positive mindset and what we do to try to take care of ourselves has been the difference in his survival.

0:29:15 - (Dr. Robin Hall): So, yes, he's doing great, and I'm doing great. So we feel very, very blessed.

0:29:21 - (Kevin Lowe): Well, I think we all had a big sigh of relief. Oh, my goodness. I was scared to ask that question, and I thought, oh, please, let it be a happy ending.

0:29:34 - (Dr. Robin Hall): You know, when you live it, it's hard to. And all of our friends, you know, are so proud of him and everything and family and everybody talks about him being a miracle. So I forget that not everybody knows he's doing well. We hadn't got to that part in the discussion, had we?

0:29:51 - (Kevin Lowe): Yes, absolutely. Oh, wow. So here you are. You. You sold your practice. You had this. This feeling that you needed to. You got that answer soon after. You then were able to be there to help care for, you know, your brother in law, he then passes away. What do you do then? Obviously, at some point, a book came about. How did the book come about? What were your thoughts of what in the world do I do with my life now?

0:30:25 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Well, you know, in 32 years of practice and taking care of thousands of patients, I noticed, I observed the difference in how people would react to setbacks. And so some people would be very courageous and fight things head on. Other people would let illness define them or a life life altering diagnosis define them. But I was very encouraged over the years by seeing the people that looked at the bright side, that saw that there was a reason for that wake up call.

0:31:09 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And in my own life, I had other situations where I. I had a diagnosis that ended up having a positive outcome. And I thought, you know, if I've experienced this and I've seen all these patients experience this, I think this would be a good book to have a compilation of these stories of people that have had all different kinds of diagnoses, not just cancer, but positive things that came from it, that would not have happened had they not gone through that journey.

0:31:44 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And, you know, Kevin, not all adverse health situations are life threatening, but all of them are life changing. And as you know from your own personal story, you go through denial at first. When you get a diagnosis, even if it's something like diabetes or hypertension, it doesn't have to be cancer. And then you get to a point where you either accept it and you start processing it and start working with it and making the best of it, or you can go the other way, where you become a victim.

0:32:23 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And I wanted to give people hope and inspiration that despite some very difficult things that people go through, many times it took that wake up call to have an epiphany or to find your purpose or to reconnect with family members or to do something for other people. And so that's how that book came about. And it's a compilation of stories. Some of them were my patients, some are friends of mine, and some were referred to me from across the country.

0:32:59 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And so that came out in November, and it's been in the best sellers list several times in six different categories since it came out. And I've just gotten a lot of positive feedback from people that it really helped them when they saw what other people were dealing with and overcome, and it's helped them change their mindset. So if it helps one person, that's what it's all about, and that's how it came about, is just observing different people and their reactions to diagnoses yeah, I just.

0:33:39 - (Kevin Lowe): I love that so much. Such a beautiful take on what otherwise can be sad. It can be scary. But the other side of illness, I love it. Was that the first book that you've ever written?

0:33:54 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Yes. I've written for newspapers and magazines before, but I had never written a book and it had been on the back burner of my mind for years. But after our situation, I went, I said, this is a perfect time to write this now. Before, I never really had time. It took me a year and a half to write this book and it was like a full time job. And I interviewed all the different people and then I wrote it in first person.

0:34:24 - (Dr. Robin Hall): But that was my first book. I may have a sequel to it later on. I haven't started that now. It's too soon yet.

0:34:32 - (Kevin Lowe): Absolutely. Before we even continue, can you please tell us where we can find your book at.

0:34:38 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Yes, it's on Amazon.com. you can buy it on Amazon or Barnes and Noble. And it's the other side of illness. Unexpected blessings.

0:34:49 - (Kevin Lowe): I will be positive that I link to both of those inside of the show notes for anybody interested. Doctor Robin, it has been such a joy talking with you today, hearing your story, your personal journey, your career journey. When you look back on it all, what do you feel like is the biggest, most important lesson that you've learned?

0:35:14 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Personally, I think the biggest lesson is just really cherishing every single day that we have. You know, when we're kids, we kind of think we're invincible. And as you get older, you start appreciating your health more. But, you know, before my cancer and dealing with my husband's cancer, I was such a perfectionist. I'm not saying I'm perfect at not being a perfectionist now, but I'm a lot better.

0:35:45 - (Dr. Robin Hall): And I've learned to set boundaries, healthy boundaries. I've learned to take time for fun and develop friendships and have a tribe around me and let other people help me. I've learned so many things along the way, but if I had to pick one overriding thing, it's just to cherish every moment that you're able to get out of bed and do things and feel good. And despite the trials and tribulations, life is a blessing.

0:36:18 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah, absolutely. So beautiful. Again, thank you so much for being here, for, for sharing your story. I just am so grateful.

0:36:28 - (Dr. Robin Hall): Well, thank you. I appreciate you having me.

0:36:31 - (Kevin Lowe): Absolutely. For you listening today. My hope is you feel the same as me, that we just sat here and we listened to this amazing woman share her story. The parts of life that are difficult. Yet the way in which she sees things the other side of illness, it just reminds us that there's always a rainbow after the rain. My friend. Get out there and enjoy this day. This is grit grace and inspiration.